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    This thread is to advise of adjustments and developments from the Administrator...and to receive reports of problems from the HMFL membership. If you are experiencing a problem...or you want to to know how to do something...post it here.

    Given that I've just spent a couple of hours of my life (that I'll never get back) in a futile attempt to split a post (never a straightforward task in vBulletin), and having lost the information anyway, I'll take the opportunity to seek your compliance with the following:

    Forum administrators (and forum users) the world over, despair at the off-topic content or banter than infects their forums. So, I urge you....indeed beg you...to stay on topic in the interests of people who want to read threads for the specific technical content that the topic title suggests. This is particularly important in Member System threads. While I can split threads...creating a new one for the off-topic information, it's time-consuming and not without risk.

    While the forum is still only very young, we have a unique opportunity to keep the topics (threads) on-topic. Once the forum develops in size, sorting threads to remove off-topic banter becomes overwhelming...to the point where it just doesn't happen. Your assistance with this goal is appreciated.
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

    www.garydonaldson.net - my main website.

    https://www.facebook.com/gary.donaldson.161 - my Facebook page.

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    www.urbanaquaponics.com.au - the current home of the Online Urban Aquaponics Manual.

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    If you notice that comments...particularly those that might be described as banter....disappear from within threads, don't despair - there's nothing personal in it. While I have the energy, I'd like to keep the technical threads as clean as practicable...to make it easier for others to learn from them...without having to navigate pages of irrelevant comment.

    I'll try to wait a day or so, so that I'm not cramping your style and wit.

    Your thoughts?
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

    www.garydonaldson.net - my main website.

    https://www.facebook.com/gary.donaldson.161 - my Facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1167267703372756/ - my Microponics and Waste Transformation Farming Facebook Group

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1318946951452383/ - my iAVs Facebook Group

    www.urbanaquaponics.com.au - the current home of the Online Urban Aquaponics Manual.

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    • #3
      I think it's quite natural for conversations about one topic to take interesting sidetracks into other equally interesting topics. At the beginning of the fork of the road it's not immediately obvious that a slightly divergent thread is likely to evolve into an autonomous one, by the time it has its a bit late. And then another problem ermerges in that you can't really start a new thread without the context of the originating comments so without moderator intervention the problem becomes apparent. It's a common problem. I would almost suggest the ability for users to split threads themselves might help but that opens up many vectors of abuse which is far from ideal. I'm not sure if vbulletin has plugins. If it does there must be one that simplifies the process of splitting threads... I can look into it if you like. I'm a little time poor at the moment but if you think it's worth it I'll investigate...

      In my own industry I've often fought against the ingrained belief that technology dictates the limits of business processes. Technology exists to facilitate not to dictate. If it won't do it's job willingly then force it and teach it it's place
      Last edited by Shadders; 05-19-2017, 12:06 AM.

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      • Gary Donaldson
        Gary Donaldson commented
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        I agree with your contention that "technology exists to facilitate not to dictate"....but having having less capacity for customisation is the downside of using cloud-based forum software. I'd like to have some more of the bells and whistles that a forum like APN has but, given the choice between the back end and the public interface, I'll choose the latter every time.

        The upside, as someone who abhors anything that remotely smacks of code, is that I get a reasonably functional platform that is always up-to-date and available for the simple payment of a modest monthly fee. That means that I can spend my time in the forum where I'm much more effective.

        I'm more than happy for any insights or assistance that you may be able to offer that helps us to optimise things around here.

    • #4
      I certainly understand you frustration though. You would be aware of my interest in Jim Joyner's thread on BYAP. Just last week I spent most of a day going through all 24 pages to distill the relevant content into a seperate document. I think I reduced it by 90%. Although 80 of that was probably trolling rather than genuine diversions.
      Last edited by Shadders; 05-19-2017, 01:14 AM.

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      • Gary Donaldson
        Gary Donaldson commented
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        You will probably find some of his stuff on APN, too. His username was 'mornings'.

      • Shadders
        Shadders commented
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        Yes there's a couple of little pearls of wisdom there. I've collected as much as I can find.

    • #5
      This version of the vBulletin software has provision to make 'Comment'....as distinct from posting a reply. I'm trying to understand what that's about. Anybody got any ideas as to which one uses....when?
      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

      www.garydonaldson.net - my main website.

      https://www.facebook.com/gary.donaldson.161 - my Facebook page.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/1167267703372756/ - my Microponics and Waste Transformation Farming Facebook Group

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/1318946951452383/ - my iAVs Facebook Group

      www.urbanaquaponics.com.au - the current home of the Online Urban Aquaponics Manual.

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      • #6
        The comment function appears to create a sub-thread within a thread... If divergent discussion is contained within these comments it might be a good solution. Although the problem then becomes training users to use it that way.

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        • Gary Donaldson
          Gary Donaldson commented
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          I'm starting to grasp it's purpose....and the benefit it conveys, too. In other forum platforms (like IPBoard upon which APN is based), if you want to connect with a post, you have to use quotes....and multi-quotes....and they can appear disjointed - particularly in a fast-paced discussion where the responses can appear pages away from the original post. Actually, the more I think about it, the better I like it. It may may cleaning threads easier, too....particularly if, as you suggest, our members can be encouraged to do it that way.

        • Gary Donaldson
          Gary Donaldson commented
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          The other thing that I've observed about the Comments is that they do not seem to impact the "Today's Posts" listings. While I'm currently the last person to comment in this thread, the most recent listed post is yours. I find the grouping of posts and respondent comment together to be particularly satisfying. As an accomplished exponent of the multi-quote, I have to say I much prefer this arrangement.

        • Shadders
          Shadders commented
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          Agree, the one failing I can see is being able to find new comments without scanning the whole thread... If a long comment thread started up on page one of a long thread it we be painful to keep track of. Although at that point it probably needs to become it's own thread. Question is whether vBulletin can convert a comment thread into a seperate real thread.

      • #7
        As an aside, is there a way to allow the user to see his local time in regards to posting? It is a bit confusing to have to convert the GMT time to my time.

        Not a big deal, just thought it there was a setting that I can select ....

        thanks.....mh

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        • #8
          Yes.. click your name top right, then user settings ,then click the account tab... Scroll down a bit there's a timezone setting.

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          • #9
            Thank you Shadders!
            That will help me realize who is sleep deprived when they post.....hahaha!

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            • #10
              I've tried to change my timezone and some other settings several times and when I choose "save" I get an error stating email addresses (plural) don't match. What email addresses (plural). There is only one being indicated, it is correct, so there is nothing to "match" with. HUH?
              "There are in fact two things, science and opinion: the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance." ~ Hippocrates, "Law", 400 BCE

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              • Shadders
                Shadders commented
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                Sounds troublesome... I could probably work out all these all these issues in a jiffy but it would require close collaboration in real-time with remote viewing tools... Happy to do so for anyone that has the patience to be talked through it via a tool like like teamviewer and can be awake when I am... In mark's case I'm not sure if or when he ever sleeps

            • #11
              p.s. computers are argumentative and incredibly literal. Responding correctly to nothing but well articulated requests. I'd have thought you'd appreciate quality Mark

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              • Shadders
                Shadders commented
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                Having said that the questions they are responding to literally may not be your own, but requests constructed on your behalf by programmers... Those are frequently far from perfect... My job is largely fixing such communication ****ups... Let me know if you have the time or patience for a tech support call.

            • #12
              Originally posted by Mark McMurtry View Post
              I've tried to change my timezone and some other settings several times and when I choose "save" I get an error stating email addresses (plural) don't match. What email addresses (plural). There is only one being indicated, it is correct, so there is nothing to "match" with. HUH?
              Funny. I am facing the same problem too!

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              • Gary Donaldson
                Gary Donaldson commented
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                Hello Abid....lovely to see you finally arrived. Welcome aboard.

                As for the current concerns over time zones, we're onto it (right Steve?) like a....Umm....well whatever would signify that we're on the case.

            • #13
              While the HMFL forum is still in its formative stages, you may periodically see things that don't make a lot of sense...like blog posts that don't have anything in them. We're trying to get our heads around the cloud-based software platform that drives the HMFL forum and that requires some experimentation. That will be a short term thing.

              While the Blog is not doing anything currently, we're setting it up for future use.

              We're also looking at other issues like the timezone issue that some of you are experiencing.
              "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

              www.garydonaldson.net - my main website.

              https://www.facebook.com/gary.donaldson.161 - my Facebook page.

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/1167267703372756/ - my Microponics and Waste Transformation Farming Facebook Group

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/1318946951452383/ - my iAVs Facebook Group

              www.urbanaquaponics.com.au - the current home of the Online Urban Aquaponics Manual.

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              • #14
                This site is part of a broader communications strategy that will see it integrated with a blogging platform and Facebook. We've been doing some work around the blog...and, of course, Facebook is always there. I anticipate that the information flow should start within the next few days. Stay posted....and feel free to make a few, too....
                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

                www.garydonaldson.net - my main website.

                https://www.facebook.com/gary.donaldson.161 - my Facebook page.

                https://www.facebook.com/groups/1167267703372756/ - my Microponics and Waste Transformation Farming Facebook Group

                https://www.facebook.com/groups/1318946951452383/ - my iAVs Facebook Group

                www.urbanaquaponics.com.au - the current home of the Online Urban Aquaponics Manual.

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                • #15
                  still cannot change timezone setting - stupid "email don't match" error
                  also, once clicking on "post reply" I get a "working" message box that doesn't go away (finish the job)
                  after trying to post several times it finally did (obviously)
                  "There are in fact two things, science and opinion: the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance." ~ Hippocrates, "Law", 400 BCE

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                  • Shadders
                    Shadders commented
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                    Apologies for being so slow to respond to this. Mark I can change this for you manually if you tell me the correct timezone. I've tried to replicate the problem by creating a new account and it allows me to change the timezone without error. That would either indicate the problem was specific to accounts created early in the forum's life or something has changed in the backend between when you last tried and now (unlikely)...

                    If you know how to clear your cookies it would be ideal if you could do that first and try again so we can confirm if that is a valid fix for the problem. This page gives a guide for how to clear cookies for all the most common web browsers: http://www.refreshyourcache.com/en/home/
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